Comments on: ‘I’m a career changer in my 30s. Will City law firms give me a chance?’ https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/ Legal news, insider insight and careers advice Thu, 18 Jul 2024 10:17:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6 By: TMT Associate https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195873 Thu, 18 Jul 2024 10:17:41 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195873 I started my TC at a city law firm at the age of 44, and it’s been brilliant. I am now 2 PQE and loving it. Not only that, but because of my prior experience and the 2-3 years as a paralegal which I had to do, I’m now operating more at 3-4 PQE, and my firm recognises, and is happy with that, which is great.

Ultimately, more and more city firms realise that career changers are a huge advantage to them due to the wide range of skills and experience they bring. They’re also much more likely to ‘stay the course’ long term as they know what other jobs are like.

In my trainee intake alone, almost a third were career changers, but it does depend a bit on which firms you choose… I had to learn by trial and error but from my own experience I know that firms like Simmons & Simmons, Travers Smith, Pinsent Masons and Bird & Bird are all definitely keen on career changers.

Best of luck!

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By: Legal Recruiter https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195536 Mon, 15 Jul 2024 10:45:19 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195536 I am a legal recruitment consultant.
Recently, I represented a candidate who graduated law in another country (Europe) in early 2000s, then had a break from law for personal reasons for over 10 years, then qualified in a Commonwealth jurisdiction, got a job in a BIG firm overseas. a few years later they moved to the UK and got a job in an American law firm in London when they were around 45 years old, with no UK experience. they also sat SQE when they were around 45. recently had a few interviews with international law firms in London ad an offer.
good luck!

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By: Career Changer myself https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195534 Mon, 15 Jul 2024 10:17:06 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195534 Everyone’s journey is different, so, if you don’t try you will never know.

I noticed that you specified City Law firm. Although that is good ambition, you might also want to try other firms rather than pigeon-hole yourself. To get into law it is important to keep an open mind.

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By: Archibald O'Pomposity https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195475 Sun, 14 Jul 2024 19:29:53 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195475 I regret that Betteridge’s Law applies.

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By: Ollie https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195428 Sat, 13 Jul 2024 14:46:37 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195428 According to the Law Society, the average age of qualification in the year that ended 31 July 2022 for men was 32.5, while for women it was 30.6.

Honestly, I wouldn’t worry about it. You’ll be judged based on the strength of your candidacy, not based on your age.

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By: Earl https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195421 Sat, 13 Jul 2024 12:34:40 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195421 In reply to Scouser of Counsel.

Pupil barristers are in a slightly different category, because frequently (not always but frequently), even if they get pupillage in their 30s, they have been working continuously in the legal industry for years before that (paralegals, academics, the odd ex-solicitor), so aren’t pure career changers in the way that OP is.

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By: Supportive but realistic 3PQE https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195396 Sat, 13 Jul 2024 00:43:48 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195396 In the same respect as non-law students entering city law, I find career changers bring a different perspective and way of thinking which is refreshing (and valued) at the MC outfit I am at. The substance of that prior career is not all that relevant, but your way of looking at the world can be (albeit it’ll need to be tempered, moulded, and applied within the broad constructs within which firms already function (and where change happens slowly!)). I know people who had been in other careers previously, ranging from other professional
services, academia to the arts.

Speaking with career changer trainees, or those simply coming to law slightly later than a ‘fresh’ grad, one of the biggest challenges seems to be engaging with their ‘cohort’ (given the seat shifting and so naturally being most directly connected with individuals who are younger / have, so far, had a different life experience). A training programme can be hard work and so making an effort to form those bonds (whatever age, background, or experience the individuals) for moral support is important.

However, from a professional performance perspective, some of the best trainees / juniors I’ve worked with are those who come to the law having experienced a (different) professional environment, are driven to make their career change work / to succeed, and have made a conscious decision that law is for them. The technical ability comes with time: frankly, a grad fresh out of uni might know the ‘academic version’ of law, but can’t yet apply it in a client ready manner and aren’t themselves at all differentiated from or ‘better’ than non-law converters. Take the plunge, work hard, and – I’m sure – you’ll excel (and your colleagues who have been qualified for some time will be sure to welcome a different perspective).

However, as in the comments above, the biggest challenges (other than the cohort relationships) will likely be: demonstrating (with evidence) that you’re committed and have properly considered the career change; accessing the application process which is often set up for penultimate year undergrads; and – very openly – accepting that you will be directly supervised (pretty much throughout your entire ‘associate level’ legal career) by people who are younger (but more experienced) than you.

On a practical level, firms do all have a different vibe. Therefore, going to some open days / speaking to lawyers at firms in which you’re interested is probably going to be important to find the right fitting firm for you and getting a steer on how to present your decision at interview (eg using the Aspiring Solicitors contacts if you don’t have your own). Good luck with whichever route you choose!

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By: Don’t worry https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195381 Fri, 12 Jul 2024 16:09:27 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195381 Don’t worry, lot of trainees these days are in their late 20s and early 30s

Like others echoed as long as you’re fine with some supervisors or seniors being younger than you, then you’ll be fine.

If anything that added experience and life experience would be very helpful.

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By: Fellow career changer https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195378 Fri, 12 Jul 2024 15:28:21 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195378 I can see the comments so far have been very positive. Not to put a damper on your enthusiasm but my experience is that it’s an uphill battle (but I will outline the positives at the end). A lot of law firms are still very conservative, they prefer an inexperienced young person to mould into their own image. I found US firms to be less so; I didn’t have much luck, but what luck I had was with US firms. I would also warn you that a lot of the application process is not adapted to someone who is working, some firms mandate you to do a 3wk vac scheme, which uses up most of your AL, most firms only give you a couple of weeks’ notice for interviews and VCs (i.e. you’ll only find out if you’ve got the VC 2 weeks before it’s dues to start, I had to turn one down because I couldn’t get leave). I have a close family member who works in a big law firm, they tell me that they do get a lot of ‘true’ career changers applying (I say ‘true’ to mean someone who was fully immersed in a non-law-related career), but most of them get rejected because there is a bias against them.

This brings me to the next point, which relates to what a previous commenter said about career changers finding it hard to adapt to being managed by a younger person and behave like ‘bellends’. I cannot comment on the individuals they refer to, but objectively, you will be joining a very conservative and hierarchical organisation where people will not be used to working with and managing people of different ages, experiences and life stages. I imagine a career changer might make a younger ‘senior’ feel uncomfortable just by being more experienced in life and the non-technical aspects of work, additionally, a career changer, particularly an older one, will not stand for being treated like sh*t, and will stand up for themselves, or question a seniors decision, I imagine to a younger senior this might constitute ‘bellend’ behaviour. If you have a lot of pride or are not hugely self-aware of how your behaviour might be taken in the environment that you’re in, you might struggle and alienate people and this might be a deal breaker. I can tell you from personal experience that it can be hard and isolating to be very different to those around you.

Furthermore, I’d just like to mention that I, like one of the above commenters, don’t think that law firms (esp large ones) particularly care what industry experience you have. That’s not to say it’s not valuable, but don’t expect to leverage it much until you’re quite senior. I think this might become a problem if you think you’ve been hired for your marketing experience and will qualify into the relevant department to leverage your expertise, however, this might not happen.

Lastly, to end on a positive. I personally think (obvs I’m biased) that career changers bring a lot to a law firm and I’d love to have more career changer colleagues. Also, it will put you to an advantage eventually, because you have a USP that 95% of your colleagues won’t have, and when you start facing clients, this will show. Also, in a commercial law firm, you’d get to meet some really interesting and impressive clients and will probably be involved in very interesting work (even if the bit you’re doing is not interesting), and it might provide a good stepping stone to something better.

Good luck, whatever you decide!

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By: BB19 https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195373 Fri, 12 Jul 2024 14:05:42 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195373 I’m about to start a TC at a city firm and I’m in my early 30s. So it definitely can be done. I worked in corporate development for startups before and I leveraged that as being able to speak the same language as the clients of the law firms. I think you just have to have a compelling story of why you want to switch to law and be able to sell your past experience. Good luck!

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By: Anony https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195355 Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:07:10 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195355 I’m currently doing the sqe (sponsored by an MC firm) and most people in my class are in their mid 20s at least, with a good proportion in their late 20s, 30 is not too far off! On my vacation scheme a few years back (different firm but still a city law firm), all the trainees I met were in their late 20s/early 30s! some people are saying you can’t leverage your career up until now but I completely disagree. If you have an interest in marketing, maybe this means you have developed an interest in IP law, just by way of example? You’ve seen how certain things work from the client side, how does this help you become a great solicitor? I think it’s all about perspective and anyone can leverage anything if they’re creative and introspective enough, even a supermarket job or being a SAHM. I would say the only thing is to be prepared to answer questions about why you didn’t go into law to start with or why you’re making the return now, and whether you’re up for the big jump in lifestyle from a 9-5 to a city law gig. I think it’s tricky to take time off your job just to do a vacation scheme but I think vac scheme route might make more sense since you haven’t had legal experience at least for a while now. Do a combo of both TC and vac scheme apps anyways and see what works for you. Best of luck to you I’m certain you can and will smash it!

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By: Anonymouse https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195346 Fri, 12 Jul 2024 09:23:59 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195346 Yes you will certainly be taken seriously but you should manage your expectations as to how far you can leverage your career to date. Partners are largely disinterested in experience that isn’t legal.

Some firms are more receptive to career-changers than others. Establishment firms, so to speak, are a bit sniffy. Upstart firms are more likely to be open minded and provide the sort of platform that allows someone to demonstrate the confidence and commercial acumen gained from a previous career. They’re typically less hierarchical, too, which might make it easier to be several rungs down from where people of your age typically would be.

Anecdotally I’ve heard that US firm trainees tend to be noticeably older and more experienced, but whether that lifestyle is for you, bearing in mind it’ll be years before you commence, is another question. You’d be sacrificing what remains of your youth and postponing having children so don’t take that step lightly.

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By: Scouser of Counsel https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195345 Fri, 12 Jul 2024 09:21:11 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195345 I can second this.

At the Bar there are many pupil barristers who start in their 30s having done something else beforehand.

The trick is to market yourself and show how you have transferable skills.

Given you have been in marketing, this shouldn’t be a problem.

Go for it- and good luck!

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By: 30+ Trainee at City firm https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195344 Fri, 12 Jul 2024 09:03:01 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195344 The firms I had ACs at and currently train at never even mentioned my age throughout the process. They were far more concerned about what I had done beforehand (if anything) and how that would transition into a commercial legal career. I highlighted both my age and career change status in all my apps and interviews. Make sure you can back up why you are changing careers and how your experiences fit into a legal career. These are interesting talking points/ topics for grade recruitment/ interviewers.

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By: Realist https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/07/im-a-career-changer-in-my-30s-will-city-law-firms-give-me-a-chance/#comment-1195343 Fri, 12 Jul 2024 08:47:52 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206615#comment-1195343 The firm I work at has no issues with people starting in their 30s. Friends at other firms also had people in their trainee intake who had done something else beforehand and decided to make a career switch into law.

My only advice is just don’t be a dick. The firm I am at has had a few trainees who have started in their late 30s who have really struggled to adapt to being supervised by someone younger than them and they have been complete bellends throughout (shock horror – they weren’t retained).

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