Comments on: ‘Is law firm culture really a thing?’ https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/ Legal news, insider insight and careers advice Fri, 10 May 2024 18:11:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6 By: NoBS https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190579 Fri, 10 May 2024 18:11:08 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190579 In reply to Kirkland NQ.

Sorry but that’s a lot of tosh from someone who will burn out by this time next month.

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By: Murtaza https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190568 Fri, 10 May 2024 15:09:05 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190568 In reply to Anon.

Should one consider pursuing law? If there is a target is good pay and work-life balance?
Work-life balance on 1st number
Pay on 2nd number

As I heard law culture is very toxic and you don’t get a work-life balance at all etc. Some even say to go in-house for work-life balance. What do you suggest?

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By: 4th seat US https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190567 Fri, 10 May 2024 14:57:21 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190567 It is a thing, but it’s very hard to gauge it without actually being in the firm. It’s true that all US firms (for example) might have a similar culture, but there are intricacies, and you’re not going to see those unless you can actually get in the building for a VS. Unfortunately you won’t know what culture suits you until you’ve experienced it first hand, and it’s very hard to talk about why a firm’s culture appeals to you before you’ve done this.

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By: A bmw driver https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190499 Thu, 09 May 2024 18:56:44 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190499 In reply to At this point I have to ask.

Choosing a BMW over a lambo is like choosing a pot noodle over a steak

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By: Australian barrister https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190496 Thu, 09 May 2024 15:22:58 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190496 In reply to Kirkland NQ.

Maserati wins every time. Although my 1926 Austin 12 is very cute.

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By: Kirkland NQ https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190478 Thu, 09 May 2024 11:49:39 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190478 In reply to At this point I have to ask.

If you have to ask then you will never understand.

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By: At this point I have to ask https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190475 Thu, 09 May 2024 10:34:13 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190475 In reply to Kirkland NQ.

Why does it have to be a Lambo? There’s Ferraris and Maseratis and BMWs that are just as nice?

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By: Kirkland NQ https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190469 Thu, 09 May 2024 09:09:58 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190469 Choose a culture where you are expected to spend the first day of qualification at the local Lambo dealer ironing out the details of your essential purchase.

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By: cultural cycnic https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190468 Thu, 09 May 2024 09:08:44 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190468 yes culture does exist and is different between different firms, but it’s important to you to work out what you want from a culture and career and how that works for you – a US firm that does lots of market-leading corporate work is going to stress the culture of “work hard play hard” and high-performance, high-octane working on cutting-edge deals etc…. what that means in practice is top money but long hours and a general expectation that work is your life (eg weekend work, going on work ski trips etc….) – can be great fun and v good experience if that’s what you’re after, but that depends on you.

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190467 Thu, 09 May 2024 09:00:06 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190467 Culture is a term used to capture a few things, some tangible and some not so tangible. Some of the most important parts of it are the approach to work-life balance and the likelihood of encountering difficult personalities. When looking in from the outside the approach to work-life balance is the most obvious indication of a firm’s culture, as it’s difficult for you to work out other parts of it without experiencing it yourself or talking about it with people who have.

In very general terms, firms that demand very long hours (so those with billable hours targets in the region of 2000) will have a “high-performance culture”, which tends to mean that the work is prioritised above all else. People may be nice and respectful in a lot of ways, but if you fail to meet the high expectations then you won’t last long. With this pressure comes massive pay, so it’s up to you as to whether this is what you want. Generally every firm that pays above ~£130k to NQs will fit into this category, though there are exceptions (and in respects culture is also team and department specific within firms). Clients have extremely high expectations when dealing with these firms and they will demand the world from you, and your supervising partner will make sure you give it to them. If you want the long hours, big deals, big money and you can deal with the stress, go for one of these firms.

Firms that advertise their respect for work-life balance will also tend to have a more friendly culture that creates a bit less pressure. In London, these firms will probably have billable hours targets in the region of 1600 or less. They are less likely to have an “up-or-out” attitude, so if you make the cut and qualify as an associate you will have security unless you bill well below targets or management takes an axe to your practice area. Generally the people will be a bit more relaxed and everything will be a bit less stressful. You will earn less but you will sleep a lot more, though you will still be working at a London law firm, so don’t expect a stress-free 9 to 5.

This is all a generalisation and don’t forget the importance of practice area. You could end up with a more relaxed life working in real estate in the magic circle compared to working in corporate in the mid-tier. There are also bad personalities everywhere, so even at more relaxed firms your life could be hellish if you end up working for a very difficult partner, and vice-versa.

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190466 Thu, 09 May 2024 08:38:54 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190466 Culture is EVERYthing. Choose wisely.

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By: Uncharitable fellow https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/05/is-law-firm-culture-really-a-thing/#comment-1190464 Thu, 09 May 2024 08:25:32 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=204476#comment-1190464 1) Is law firm culture really a thing or is this just a marketing gimmick?

Yes, the culture between different law firms is palpably different. All law firms will have a different mindset in terms of things like concern with pay, work-life balance, friendliness, diversity, the importance of hours targets, development, and (most importantly) not being a total dick.

Two caveats:
(i) You shouldn’t blindly buy in to marketing hype that says “we have a great culture!” with no further explanation.

(ii) Culture within each individual team in a firm differs just as much as between law firms. A tax team will have different set of priorities to a private equity team.

2) And if it’s really a thing, how much weight should I give it when making a decision?

Some, but as a law student you’ll have a poor grasp of the facts. This isn’t a slight on you – you only get a sense a culture from working with (or across from) those lawyers. You should get a general idea from discussions online, but ultimately it’s up to you how much you should take it into account alongside things like pay, hours, how likely you think you’ll be to get a TC, etc.

The gold standard of information gathering would be to talk to lawyers in the teams you’re interested in (NOT just HR teams from that firm!) or at least people who have worked with them.

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