Comments on: ‘From civil service to City law – will I secure at TC?’ https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/ Legal news, insider insight and careers advice Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:41:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6 By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189583 Sat, 27 Apr 2024 20:41:39 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189583 Oh well.. the problem is that Civil Servant’s culture is difficult to shake off, working from home for weeks on end, going to the office to find no one there… finnishing at 3pm….will you be able to cope? If so, go for it, you can always go back to work as a civil servant. Dont concentrate on your academic weakness.. and others will do the same.

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By: Radical cynic https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189441 Fri, 26 Apr 2024 08:57:08 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189441 In reply to Kirkland NQ.

What’s the trainee-to-partner promotion rate at the ‘Land? 3%?

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By: Radical cynic https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189440 Fri, 26 Apr 2024 08:56:14 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189440 In reply to Joshua.

I wonder if it’s underpaid because they leave the office at 2pm

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By: Joshua https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189405 Thu, 25 Apr 2024 14:04:29 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189405 In reply to Anonymouse.

Even as a trainee, OP is likely going to be earning 1.5x their salary as a trainee, and then 2x or even 3x their salary as a NQ… Public sector work is interesting but severely underpaid.

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By: Kirkland NQ https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189392 Thu, 25 Apr 2024 08:52:55 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189392 In reply to Dolce Dolce.

100hrs a week smashing PE deals in return for the latest Lambo, a holiday home on the Côte d’Azur and a townhouse in Chelsea seems more than fair.

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By: Try again https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189357 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 16:14:12 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189357 In reply to Dolce Dolce.

You have clearly not read the post – OP is coming from the civil service where doing 100 hours in a month is considered burning out.

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By: Culture Shock https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189353 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 15:03:51 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189353 The first thing you will need to come to terms with is that you will be expected to work beyond 4pm.

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By: Cowboy https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189349 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 14:07:48 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189349 In reply to You will be fine.

This is sound advice . Also on a health and safety note you should stand well clear of any firm that does this as donkeys kick very hard !

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By: You will be fine https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189342 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 12:01:05 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189342 I got a low 2.1 in a law degree including several 2.2s and even applied in 2nd year having averaged a 2.2 in first year.

Didn’t stop me getting multiple training contract offers at US law firms and I didn’t even have close to your level of professional experience.

As long as you can justify the career change if asked in an interview I’m sure you will do fine (you want to avoid the firms that have a stick up their ass on grades anyway)

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By: Dolce Dolce https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189339 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 10:49:10 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189339 Try Paul, Weiss or the ‘land – they’ll hire you as long as you’re willing to work 100hr week.

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By: Career changed into city law https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189334 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:53:41 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189334 In reply to Mr truth.

100% agree. It’s a people business which is often forgotten about. While grades can be an initial filter, on any applications do emphasise your transferable skills from a different career path and why these will make you an effective lawyer (project management, working with lots of different people in a team etc). Once you’re through that stage then you should be able to do well in the face to face parts, as long as you have a good and honest explanation of why you want to switch.

From my TC cohort at a SC firm, the people now in the “best” positions aren’t those that did best on the LPC but rather the ones that got on with people, did extra curricular things (pro bono, helped with initiatives etc).

This had nothing to do with overstretching while working or brownnosing, it just showed that they were able to get along with a variety of people. That translates well into working with clients, which is the whole point of our industry.

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By: realist https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189333 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:51:20 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189333 In reply to Mr truth.

This is true. An Oxbridge first is worth nothing if you’re unlikable!

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By: Mr truth https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189331 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:28:47 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189331 You’ll hear a lot of blah blah from many on here. Really the most important thing is a friendly personality and a good sense of gusto. Many of the first years on here think it’s all about the grades and the uni, but they think they’re in Suits.

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By: Ex-Civil Servant, now Offshore Trainee https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189330 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:26:41 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189330 First off, kudos for looking for guidance here.

Your skills are transferable, but you are right to query the extent City firms will apply a first filter against your university grades. I am an ex-civil servant trainee who works for an offshore firm and had best let others advise on the hurdles set by London firms.

On making the career change from Whitehall to a new industry, my experience has been one of persistence and being really clear on WHY I made the move. It was important to have a convincing narrative that was more than: (i) I would like a pay rise, (ii) I’m looking for a new challenge, and/or (iii) I always really wanted to practice law. I found demonstrating my commitment helped. For example, by having a path thought out on how I was to qualify (tying in the role the firm played in this) and by showing my willingness to take a risk to make the career change work (having a law course or postgrad ready to go). Otherwise, how could I expect my employer to reciprocate and put their resources and faith in taking me on over and above a more conventional candidate?

Good luck in the career change!

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By: Anonymouse https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189329 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 09:11:36 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189329 If you run a team why would you to move to the bottom of the ladder? If you do this it will be years before you have a similar level of responsibility again.

Do you really want to be a lawyer or do you just not want to be a civil servant any more? If the latter, go into consultancy where you can leverage your experience for a role that’s more senior. Think carefully about the prospect of doing admin for someone five years younger than you.

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By: Career changer https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/04/from-civil-service-to-city-law-will-i-secure-at-tc/#comment-1189326 Wed, 24 Apr 2024 08:18:33 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=203589#comment-1189326 I think it’s difficult to state your likelihood of success. It won’t be easy, but give it a go. Perhaps target firms that predominantly advise governments departments. Your work experience is valuable, you probably just need to find the firm that’ll recognise and appreciate your value. I graduated almost 10 years ago and managed to secure a training contract at a city firm last year, I also didn’t have a high 2.1 degree.

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