Comments on: Revealed: Law firms’ average start and finish times 2023-24 https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/ Legal news, insider insight and careers advice Tue, 28 Nov 2023 11:05:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6 By: Finance Associate https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1182308 Tue, 28 Nov 2023 11:05:24 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1182308 In reply to C.

I work in a finance team at HL and yes the salary is good (slightly below MC) but it’s important to realize that the average hours in the table get heavily impacted by all the advisory teams at the firm who bill a lot less yet have roughly the base compensation.

I bill around 2,000 hours a year and I very rarely finish at 7:30pm. If you see it from that perspective, the compensation isn’t that great. This could be offset by faster career progression but HL is very rigid on that end too and won’t promote you before you reach a certain PQE level (but they do not shy away from saddling you with extra responsibilities earlier on).

Ultimately I stay at HL because I love my team and the last thing I want to do is work more hours so I’m safer with the devil I know, but it’s certainly not all roses.

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By: RAUL https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181525 Mon, 30 Oct 2023 17:18:01 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181525 In reply to D.

Most of them are divorced.

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By: anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181481 Sat, 28 Oct 2023 23:28:34 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181481 Totally off-topic – if a lawyer working at a top law firm took a career break for 6m-1y, will this be frowned upon/impact his chance of making partner later on down the line?

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By: Arnold https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181475 Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:00:50 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181475 In reply to Anon.

Can you explain what you mean by quite a loy of weekends? I am not familiar with this word “loy”. Thank you

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By: Former US Trainee https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181473 Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:40:25 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181473 In reply to C.

Fair question. The hours do come at a cost, both physically and emotionally. You do feel like you’re missing out on a lot, especially where you can rarely commit to any mid-week plans with confidence. Gym / cooking routines are harder to maintain etc. Although, I have found you tend to make the most of weekends.

The key is to be flexible with your plans and to treat the job a bit like an Olympic athlete. You do the hard hours and all-nighters when you need to, but be equally intentional with your limited recovery or “quiet” times. Chronically working or training those hours is generally not good.

What I will say though is when the work is interesting and you have a nice team, you can be working until late and barely notice the time fly by. You also feel like your significantly developing your knowledge/career. In other seats/roles, the shorter hours have been far more stressful and challenging to handle.

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181470 Sat, 28 Oct 2023 08:02:19 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181470 Interesting that despite ridiculous hours worked by the US Firms, they’re still ranked “top” of the list as if it’s something to be proud of…

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By: Perplexed (and overworked) counsel https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181450 Fri, 27 Oct 2023 16:14:24 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181450 In reply to Anon.

What does that have to do with this article?

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181447 Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:37:17 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181447 Kirkland just paid someone £20m in London – Ian Barrett.

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By: AnonSaladEater https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181440 Fri, 27 Oct 2023 12:22:18 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181440 In reply to US Trainee.

Well yes but the takeaway could be a nice fresh salad from a nearby deli or similar – tons of options, not just pizza or whatever you might be thinking about health!

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By: Barney the tree https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181438 Fri, 27 Oct 2023 11:55:25 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181438 In reply to US Trainee.

Yeah but having a takeaway every evening?

There comes a point where I’d rather have good physical and mental health over an extra 30k

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By: US Trainee https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181435 Fri, 27 Oct 2023 10:05:30 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181435 In reply to Barney the tree.

I disagree; yes, I leave the office at 10 in a taxi having had a takeaway expensed on the firm, however this means I don’t have to get the tube/bus home, go to the shops, cook, tidy up etc, by which time its well past 10 anyway.

In fact, I often leave the office at 7.30, cook for myself and log on for a further stretch at home. When you’re working for a firm with high billable expectations they tend not to care where and how you get it done, more that it gets done on time.

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By: Barney the tree https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181433 Fri, 27 Oct 2023 09:27:07 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181433 In reply to US Trainee.

Difference between 8:30 and 10 is you could still cook dinner and have an hour of downtime at 8:30.

At 10 pm realistically it’s a takeaway or microwave meal and bed before getting up 8 hours later to make your commute into the City

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181404 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 19:08:12 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181404 In reply to Hmm.

Lol

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By: CS https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181403 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 18:30:56 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181403 It’s amazing to me that lawyers find a way to complain about their hours when a) they know what they’re getting into when they decide to break into the industry and b) they get the starting pay that they do. Want to avoid the long hours? Find a different industry and take a pay cut.

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By: Teacher https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181396 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 16:46:23 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181396 In reply to D.

Let me explain. When a mummy and daddy love each other very much….

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181395 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 16:23:42 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181395 In reply to D.

I left just before my wife gave birth, but I know lots who do it and on the logistical side the answer is the other parent being non-working, a nanny or extremely supportive grandparents.

You are a total write off for any childcare in the week and to be honest quite a loy of weekends too. Even if your partner works relatively “normal” hours in their job, they will still have times when for one reason or another they can’t make nursery pick up times so you have to go the nanny route or grandparents stepping in.

In terms of being a supportive partner and parent? The primary contribution you make is financial security, that’s all you realistically can do in the time you have. That’s very important, but not many kids say “Mummy/daddy I love you so much became we have a nice big house/lovely holidays/I can go to private school”.

You have to accept you will have a less emotionally close relationship with your partner and kids because you simply don’t see them much, it’s a sacrifice you have to make if you choose that route. It wasn’t right for me, it is for others.

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By: Mo https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181393 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 15:33:38 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181393 In reply to Nobody.

The same fake news as their positive chambers student and legal cheek reviews

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By: Hmm https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181392 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 15:14:13 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181392 In reply to Happy Lawyer.

What do you do now? Odd that you still read LC if that’s the case

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By: Ch https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181390 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 14:10:04 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181390 But when i see friends insta they’re always seem to be on holiday or going fancy restaurants and enjoying life,so it makes me think it can be that bad although social media can be misleading

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By: Nobody https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181389 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 13:46:53 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181389 Paul Hastings average finish time 7.45pm? This is patently untrue lmao.

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By: S&S observer https://www.legalcheek.com/2023/10/revealed-law-firms-average-start-and-finish-times-2024/#comment-1181388 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 13:21:53 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=195723#comment-1181388 Simmons & Simmons lawyers look like they’re being played.

Up at the very top of the hours table with no one else apart US firms and the Magic Circle for company. All those hours without the paycheque of the US firms, or boost to the career of Magic Circle (and let’s face it they won’t be getting Magic Circle wedge either).

If this is accurate, you guys need to rethink.

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