Comments on: RPC raises NQ lawyer pay to £90k for London commercial team, keeps insurance salaries at £80k https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/ Legal news, insider insight and careers advice Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:35:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6 By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193294 Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:35:56 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193294 Retention last year was 66% and it’s the same again this year. London retention is 57%, 6 out of 14 trainees didn’t get jobs. Ironically the overall retention figure is being boosted by the wholly-insurance Bristol office which retained all 4 trainees. How long any of them will stay given the way the firm is treating its insurance side remains to be seen.

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By: Minute detail rememberer https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193123 Sat, 15 Jun 2024 15:45:15 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193123 In reply to Jude.

Alright Stannis Baratheon

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By: Assured https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193115 Sat, 15 Jun 2024 09:25:39 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193115 Qualify on £80k at RPC or £105k at CMS? Tricky call for those doing insurance work…

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By: Fingers crossed https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193107 Sat, 15 Jun 2024 02:32:48 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193107 So are insurance RPC London NQs at £80,000 or £88,000? And are Clyde & Co London Insurance NQs at £85,000? What about DWF, DACB and Kennedys?

And what about for 2, 5, 7 PQE? What’s the bunching impact?

Why would anyone go into insurance or stay? These firms are on the cusp of huge numbers retiring. And when that happens, who will want to stay when the reward is so much less superior to a commercial practice? The work is no less taxing, despite what those in other practice areas may say.

Insurers are about to get exactly what they pay for: monkeys being paid peanuts, a 9 – 5 service, on a ‘deal strictly in date order’ basis. Maybe firms should charge a premium if something needs dealing with urgently. Firms can use the extra £££ to pay overtime to those who can be arsed. But once the skill and energy has gone from the insurance practices, it will be lost forever and will be difficult to replace/ replicate again.

Commercial is not that different to insurance, it just has a different paymaster with more generous pockets.

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193051 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 10:30:29 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193051 The question as to which firms we are benchmarking ourselves against is asked time and time again here; and the silence on that question from management is deafening (and telling).

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By: recruiter https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193041 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 08:56:14 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193041 In reply to Copy cats.

wrong its 88k for the rest

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193038 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 08:48:21 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193038 How on earth is 90k market rate now? What law firms are they actually comparing to? This will be very disappointing for a lot of associates. There will be even more of a need to offer non financial rewards such as reasonable working hours and flexible working.

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193027 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 07:31:19 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193027 There are some very unhappy people in Bristol. Recent exodus of team members to direct insurance competitors (Beale & Co, CMC, Clyde’s) all for larger salaries. Yet we’re still told pay is competitive…

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By: Alan https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193026 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 07:25:45 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193026 In reply to Anon.

The average annual salary for Londoners is £44,370 across all age groups, according to the latest data available for 2023 from the ONS.

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By: Jude https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193024 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 07:23:43 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193024 In reply to Anonymous.

Fewer

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193020 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 06:27:32 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193020 In reply to Copy cats.

Where have you heard this?

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193010 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 22:42:25 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193010 In reply to Perspective.

Have you seen rental prices in London pal? No point comparing to “average uk salaries” lol.

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By: Anonymous https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1193001 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 19:13:06 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1193001 In reply to Anon.

Because the reality is that there will be some sub teams working less hours and bringing in less income than their insurance focused counterparts… if the goal is to reward associates based on their individual contribution to the firm (be it from a turnover / hours worked / effective billing rate basis or otherwise), then having a pay disparity between teams is a poor way of incentivising their lesser earning NQs to give more than their minimum.

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1192993 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 16:48:38 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1192993 Sidley raised to £175K NQ

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By: When??? https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1192991 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 16:46:01 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1192991 Well will this end???

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By: Perspective https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1192976 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 15:26:50 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1192976 In response to the snotty replies from people making out this isn’t a good salary or isn’t competitive – the mean average UK salary in 2024 is £35k. Getting paid £90k (or even £80k) as a newly qualified solicitor (most in mid 20s) is a great deal by any standards, particularly with the much more civilised work life balance at these firms.

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1192971 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:58:47 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1192971 In reply to Terrible.

Why? If one team is bringing in 1. more money AND 2. working longer hours why shouldn’t they be compensated more than other teams bringing in less work and clocking off earlier?

Happens for partners so why not for associates?

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By: Hhg https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1192969 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:49:44 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1192969 They still boosted before slaughters, that’s a W in my book

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By: Anon https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1192965 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:26:17 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1192965 In reply to Anon.

Chump change in today’s market. That’s far less than inflation since they last increased.

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By: Zty https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1192962 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:09:31 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1192962 Who’s next CMs, the shed, Stephenson Harwood, Watson Farley??

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By: Cx https://www.legalcheek.com/2024/06/rpc-raises-nq-lawyer-pay-to-90k-for-london-commercial-team-keeps-insurance-salaries-at-80k/#comment-1192961 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:08:59 +0000 https://www.legalcheek.com/?p=206038#comment-1192961 Loool if insurance are working similar hrs to commercial they are taking p

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